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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:01:17] <rdieter>	bugzappers still going?  done?
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:01:31] <rdieter>	I see EOM, ok. :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:01:42] <rdieter>	KDE SIG Meeting Start, who's present today?
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:01:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:02:07] <than>	present
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:02:36] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-19 -- Agenda".
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:02:52] <rdieter>	have a light agenda, anything else to add for today?  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-19#Agenda
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:03:12] <than>	4.3 beta1 status
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:04:29] <than>	probably remove condition for Fedora<10 in specfile
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:04:47] <rdieter>	than: which?  all?
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:05:35] <Kevin_Kofler>	The <=F8 conditionals in particular are a PITA and it doesn't make much sense to maintain them for a Fedora POV (though it can help EL builds on kde-redhat).
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:05:36] <rdieter>	topic: (since it's juicy and we're on it), kde-4.3 beta1 status
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:05:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	Oh, another topic for the agenda: Qt 4.5.1 status.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:05:55] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-19 -- kde-4.2.85 (4.3beta1) status".
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:06:05] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: qt-4.5.1 is already on agenda
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:06:42] <rdieter>	I have no problem dropping fedora < 10 conditionals, I think it's safe to assume we won't be shipping kde-4.3 for F-9
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:06:55] <than>	we should remove all what we needs for previous fedora release < 10
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:07:44] <than>	i don't thin we will do 4.3 update for f9
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:07:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	There's no way we can do that.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:08:02] <Kevin_Kofler>	F9 will be EOL about a month from now.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:08:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	4.3 won't be out by then.
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:08:39] <rdieter>	than: where'd you get kdebindings-4.2.85 tarball?  I didn't think that was done.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:08:43] <than>	it's why we should remove them in the specfile
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:03] <jreznik>	it's ok to clean conditionals for eoled releases... more sane, clean...
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:05] <than>	rdieter, is it not on ktown?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:09] <rdieter>	no
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:17] <than>	jreznik, +1
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:25] <rdieter>	maybe it was early, but it was removed since it was reportedly broken
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:37] <rdieter>	hrm... I see a 4.2.86 on ktown ... :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:42] <than>	rdieter, it could be that dirk removed it
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:09:55] <rdieter>	empty 4.2.86 dir anyway
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:04] <rdieter>	than: shrug, if we can make it work, great
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:11] <Kevin_Kofler>	4.2.86 is the "4.2.85 + 1 week" release.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:22] <than>	rdieter, i will try to make it build in rawhide
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, weekly snapshot.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:30] <rdieter>	ok
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:46] <rdieter>	otherwise, 4.2.85 is pretty much done now?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:46] <than>	it doesn't make sense to build  weekly snapshot
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:10:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	We could try building kdebindings 4.2.86 (with all the other stuff still at 4.2.85) if 4.2.85 doesn't build.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:11:08] <Kevin_Kofler>	(We'd need to relax the BRs inside kdebindings.)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:11:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	But yes, it doesn't make sense to build weekly snapshots.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:11:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	We have enough work with the actual betas already.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:11:25] <rdieter>	only if someone has a free day (or 2) with nothing better to do, would touching 4.2.86 make any sort of possible sense. :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:12:25] <than>	rdieter, it's better to fix bugs if somone has time ;-)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:12:54] <rdieter>	ok, let's move on.  next topic: 4.2.3 update status, Kevin_Kofler  ?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:13:16] <ltinkl>	umm, last thing on 4.2.85: kde-l10n, working on it now
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:13:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	4.2.3 is now queued for stable.
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:13:37] <G__81>	will F 11 have 4.2.3. I know by default we have 4.2.2 but would we get 4.2.3 ?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:13:50] <than>	i already built kdebase-runtime/kdepim in rawhide
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:13:51] <rdieter>	ltinkl: ah, me and my english-only discrimination.  thx
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:13:55] <G__81>	coz kubuntu has got 4.2.3 in 9.04
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:13:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	With kdebase-workspace-4.2.3-4 and the older kdelibs-4.2.3-2 build because 4.2.3-3 contains the QT_PLUGIN_PATH changes which need coordinating with Qt.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:09] <ltinkl>	G__81: as an update yes, dunno if it gets tagged for F11 final
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	G__81: 4.2.3 is queued for F11 updates already.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	It'll be in updates before F11 is even released.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:28] <G__81>	oh wonderful
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:36] <G__81>	and for f10 ?
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	But it's too late to get it onto the images (live, installer).
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	F9 and F10 updates are also queued for stable now.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:14:55] <than>	i hope the ssnow, twitter issues will be fixed soon in qt
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:15:00] <rdieter>	interesting, was asked by jwb_ in #fedora-devel this morning, if we'd considerred tagging 4.2.3 for f11-final instead of doing 0-day stable update.  thoughts?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:15:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	than: The twitter plasmoid is also broken?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:15:19] <Kevin_Kofler>	We don't have a bug filed for that one.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:15:23] <ltinkl>	rdieter: I'd tend to say yes
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:15:53] <than>	it seems  twitter has same problem
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:15:55] <rdieter>	jreznik, than , Kevin_Kofler : what do you think.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:16:11] <ltinkl>	I've never seen a horrible breakage in a minor release in the KDE history
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:16:14] <rdieter>	twitter is equally broken for all qt-4.5.x
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:16:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	We have on our tracker: rssnow breakage (total breakage, with ugly-looking workaround in kdeplasma-addons which could be pushed together with it), Amarok 2.0 breakage (the plan is to push 2.1 post beta 2) and ksysguard looking bad (but still usable).
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:16:32] <rdieter>	ie, not a 4.5.1 issue
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:16:46] <than>	rdieter, it's risky, we should do  0-day stable update
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:17:16] <ltinkl>	than: then there's not much difference, the users will get it from the first moment they install F11 anyway :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:17:28] <than>	Kevin_Kofler, do we have the workaround for rssnow in cvs?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:17:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	When will the images be spun? And also: do we know if there were any changes in the 4.2.3 release or packaging which could blow up the live CD's size?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:17:45] <rdieter>	the risk is that it could break the kde livecd experience somehow, ie, untested
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:17:47] <jreznik>	ltinkl: but if we found some bug it can't be removed from install/live
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:18:11] <ltinkl>	ye right, the liveCD, completely forgot
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:18:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	I must say I think tagging it now is very risky, I know the XFCE bugfix update got tagged late, but that was a week or 2 ago!
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:18:31] <than>	ltinkl, it makes difference here
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:18:54] <rdieter>	alright, I think we're mostly in agreement that the risk here isn't worth it?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:18:58] <jreznik>	0-day for me is better (and I know, it should be ok but)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:19:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	Plus, for stable updates, we have another week to fix things before the official release (well, F9 and F10 updates would be broken too, so hopefully it's not broken, but still :-) ).
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:19:27] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-19 -- kde-4.2.3 status".
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:19:39] <than>	rdieter, it's safer for us to do o-day update
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:19:59] <rdieter>	If qt-4.5.1/kde-4.2.3 together had come together a little earlier, maybe, but that didn't happen.  ok.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:20:18] <rdieter>	move on?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:20:37] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-19 -- qt-4.5.1 status/blockers, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497658".
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:20:42] <rdieter>	next: qt-4.5.1 status/blockers, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497658
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:20:44] <buggbot>	Bug 497658: medium, low, ---, than, NEW, Qt-4.5.1 Tracker
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:21:53] <rdieter>	rssnow is hacked around, new amarok-2.1ish builds coming soon, ksysguard thing is cosmetic and mostly harmless.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:21:58] <than>	are all the bugs reported to trolltech?
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:22:31] <than>	i know rssnow issue is reported
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:22:33] <rdieter>	reportedly, rssnow works fine in kde-4.3.x
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:22:40] <rdieter>	oh, interesting.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:22:57] <jreznik>	rssnow is hacked - but not ok...
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:23:18] <than>	rdieter, it works better in 4.2.85
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:23:31] <than>	rdieter, but still has the same issue
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:23:34] <than>	https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193123
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:23:35] <rdieter>	jreznik: yeah, it sucks, we'll likely get bugs reported over that, but I'll keep the rssnow bug# handy for dup'ing purposes. :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:23:36] <buggbot>	Bug 193123: normal, NOR, ---, plasma-bugs kde org, RESOLVED UPSTREAM, RSSNow widget's content becomes blank after accessing ZUI
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:24:27] <rdieter>	than: good to know.  with the new open qt git repo, I'd venture fixes for stuff like this will land more quickly.  and... we'll have a better opportunity to cherry-pick things, test, etc...
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:24:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	Maybe we should try to backport rssnow from trunk?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:24:50] <than>	rdieter, yes
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:24:57] <Kevin_Kofler>	But if than says it's not really fixed there either, then that won't help.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:25:16] <Kevin_Kofler>	We need to check the Qt git for relevant fixes.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:25:25] <than>	Kevin_Kofler, i doesn't make sense to backport it
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:25:28] <Kevin_Kofler>	I found one which could be relevant, but I don't think we tested that yet.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:26:02] <than>	Kevin_Kofler, yes, i already checked it today, it's not fixed yet
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:26:49] <rdieter>	anyway, my expectation is another week (or 2) of qt-4.5.1 in updates-testing ... and we can re-evaluate, but at that point, I'd think it's advantages will far outweigh cons.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:27:34] <jreznik>	if someone really needs 4.5.1 - it can be installed...
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:27:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	Has anybody tested http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/2e3a5ea4434d19fbdb90996e71961f0791ea6487 to see if it helps any?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:28:16] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: if I have time, I'll grab it after meeting, and we can try it out
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:28:19] <than>	Kevin_Kofler, it doesn't help
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:28:31] <rdieter>	nevermind. :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:29:35] <rdieter>	next topic:  PolicyKit 1 (as it hits rawhide soon)
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:30:17] <rdieter>	now that PolicyKit support is in kdebase-workspace, this "fun" will likely need to be coordinated with kde upstream
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:30:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	The problem is that AFAIK PolicyKit 1 ports of polkit-qt and PolicyKit-kde are not even started yet.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:30:55] <ltinkl>	question is: are they aware of this (incompatible) change and do they really want to support it?
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:31:16] <ltinkl>	because Fedora will be afaik the only distro using Polkit/1
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:31:21] <rdieter>	any sucker, err... volunteer to lead the fedora/coordination efforts here?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:31:40] <G__81>	coordination efforts in ?
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:32:07] <than>	ltinkl, jreznik  it's great if one of you could take care of it
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:32:07] <rdieter>	efforts to make kde-4.3/polkit-qt work with PolicyKit1
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:32:26] <ltinkl>	than, jreznik: we will talk about it tomorrow when I get to the office
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:32:49] <jreznik>	than: I'll take care as PolKit scares me a lot - system config tools...
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:32:59] <G__81>	oh ok i cannot lead as i am new to this but if i could be of some help then i can for sure
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:33:03] <than>	ltinkl, great
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:33:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	IMHO PolicyKit 1 should be blocked until the KDE ports happen, but the feature promoters and FESCo think otherwise. :-(
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:33:32] <ltinkl>	this is where we need more presence and pressure
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:33:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	They argued that PolicyKit 0.8 is dead upstream and so migrating to 1.0 ASAP is unavoidable.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:33:46] <rdieter>	let's evaluate our options before crying  foul.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:34:04] <jreznik>	old PolKit stays until everything is ported
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:34:27] <ltinkl>	jreznik: can the 2 versions coexist in the system?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:34:38] <than>	jreznik, yes, it must stay
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:34:45] <rdieter>	ie, get a handle on the scope of work involved, invasiveness of changes, etc...
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:35:19] <Kevin_Kofler>	I did complain in the FESCo ticket before their meeting, but they ignored my concerns entirely, all I got was a reply from davidz (the feature owner) saying we should just drop PolicyKit support (ugh) or use a compat package (not very useful if all the system services use the new version).
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:35:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	ltinkl: They can, but they can't talk to each other.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:35:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, I'm not even sure they don't conflict.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:35:53] <rdieter>	we don't want another networkmanager fiasco
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:35:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	But in any case they don't talk to each other.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:36:30] <jreznik>	from feature page: The old PolicyKit 0.9 packages can remain for a while to ease the transition period and will be removed a few months into F12, when all users have been ported. 
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:36:39] <rdieter>	ie, depending on a toolkit with continually changing api
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:37:24] <Kevin_Kofler>	This was the ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/151
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:37:31] <jreznik>	it's all because of lot of enterprise features...
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:38:10] <rdieter>	anyway, you guys meet, look it over, and come back with your findings, recommendations on how best to proceed. plan?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:38:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	davidz also said he'd go on with upgrading PolicyKit even if FESCo rejects it as a feature.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:38:45] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think we should ask FESCo to not just revoke the feature approval, but also explicitly ban upgrading PolicyKit until the KDE bindings are ready.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:39:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	Or at least there's a schedule for them to be ready.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:39:14] <Kevin_Kofler>	There's no evidence that they'll be anywhere near ready in time for F12.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:39:15] <ltinkl>	we can try that, good luck :p
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:39:17] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: that's an option, but we'd better damn well have ample evidence, justification to do so.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:39:28] <jreznik>	rdieter: yes, I'm more interested in PolKit so I have to dig much deeper to it (and I hate to do it but...)
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:40:38] <jreznik>	PK1 has to be ready for F12... so I think they'll catch F12... it's one of top priority here in Red Hat...
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:41:43] <Kevin_Kofler>	But is anybody working on updated polkit-qt and PolicyKit-kde?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:41:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	I don't think anybody from RH is.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:41:55] <rdieter>	so, best if we can just make it work, but that will likely require developer resources only rh can help provide (ie, @redhat.com 'ers working on it).
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:42:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	And upstream I don't even see a work branch or anything.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:42:03] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: right, not yet.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:42:37] <than>	Kevin_Kofler, it's not done yet
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:43:01] <jreznik>	they promise some porting examples but I couldn't find theme anywhere
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:43:33] <jreznik>	and other projects are complaining about PK1 too (some missing features like OOM notification)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:43:42] <jreznik>	so we're not alone
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:43:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	Several of the "ports" of apps they did in the RH BZ just drop or cripple PolicyKit support.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:44:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	I think this is really being rushed in while clearly not ready.
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:44:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's regressing several things.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:44:28] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: OOM notification isn't even planned in the official bindings.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:44:34] <Kevin_Kofler>	They now use GObject which just aborts.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:44:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	You have to use D-Bus directly if you want to handle OOM, they no longer provide a binding which does that.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:44:59] <jreznik>	we need to talk to pk guys, kde upstream... and maybe help with porting...
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:45:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	Or write your own binding, I guess.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:45:19] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: I don't need it - libvirt needs it
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:45:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	By the way, I wonder how polkit-qt handles OOM, if at all.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:46:46] <rdieter>	well, discuss, meet, and report back, plan?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:47:11] <rdieter>	best if most/all of that can be onlist (fedora-kde or fedora-devel) to get wider exposure too
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:47:13] <jreznik>	it sounds like war plan :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:47:30] <rdieter>	synchronize watches.  attack!
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:47:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	Dario Freddi is the guy to contact on the KDE side.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:48:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	He's the main developer of polkit-qt and PolicyKit-kde.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:48:27] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: thanks
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:48:35] <Kevin_Kofler>	David Zeuthen (davidz) is the PolicyKit/RH contact.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:48:40] <jreznik>	I know
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:48:54] Topic	rdieter sets the channel topic to "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-19 -- Open Discussion".
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:48:56] <jreznik>	ltinkl: when will you arrive tomorrow?
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:49:11] <ltinkl>	jreznik: asap
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:49:13] <ltinkl>	:)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:49:58] <rdieter>	that's it for the agenda, open discussion
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:50:14] <jreznik>	ltinkl: ok
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:50:43] <jreznik>	open discussion about closed software? :D and closed discussion about open software :)
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[Tue May 19 2009] [18:51:19] <rdieter>	open everything
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:53:04] <jreznik>	it's all from me for today... I'l prepare summary, but from home, I have to go shopping to buy something to eat before they close markets :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:53:50] <than>	jreznik, no problem  :)
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:54:01] <rdieter>	ok, let's close the meeting then, take things back to #fedora-kde.  Thanks everyone.
[Tue May 19 2009] [18:54:04] <rdieter>	KDE SIG Meeting end
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